Medieval Iconography and Science Fiction/Fantasy

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  1. Diziet Sma

    Diziet Sma Administrator Staff Member

    I love medieval iconography. I’m not by any means an expert but a keen follower of some particular themes within this art.
    I was wondering about the possible connection between medieval iconography and Science Fiction, purely because the most logical link wold be with Fantasy, in particulate referring to the bestiary and mythology. However, I have come across some images which one might think closer to the concept of cosmology, technology and wonders of the past with a vision into the future. These are some images, which apart from finding them aesthetically beautiful, I thought they were somehow relevant to SF.
    It would be great if you could share whatever images you like from past times but with a vision into a future, whatever that might be… Enjoy them!

    A fish and two arms. A Spatterjay creature…? Der Naturen Bloeme, Flandes, 1350 Koninklijke


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    Salterio de Luttrell, circa 1300 or could it be by Julio Verne?

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    De Astronomica (About Astros) 1475 by Gaio Julio Higino

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  2. Boreas

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    You're right, they definitely have an SF feel. I'm afraid, I don't know much about mediaeval iconography, although I do find it very beautiful.

    As you say, I would expect most mediaeval iconography to be religiously inclined, rather than focusing on naturalism, so that does segue more easily to fantasy literature. But I've always felt that science fiction at its best also deals with the ineffable and the quest for transcendent truth (which beyond a certain point necessarily takes on mystical characteristics), so those same images can in certain cases be applied to SF if taken as metaphors.

    And anyway, Clarke's third law states that all fantasy is science fiction.
     
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  3. Diziet Sma

    Diziet Sma Administrator Staff Member

    Well, I know iconography is a bit of an oddity but time flies when I'm looking at these images.
    Just to finish 2016.... Happy New Year to you and everyone else!

    Space bees?!
    Aberdeen Bestiary, England ca. 1200 (Aberdeen University Library, MS 24, fol. 63r)


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    Keech?!
    Regensburg ca. 1472 (Universitätsbibliothek Augsburg, Oettingen-Wallersteinsche Bibliothek, Cod.I.3.2.IV, fol. 116r)

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    Facing this evening New Year dinner...

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  4. Boreas

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    Happy New Year to you and everyone else, too!
    The resemblance to Keech is uncanny! And it even looks like he's on Spatterjay!
     
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  5. TomTB

    TomTB Administrator Staff Member

    That last one! That's how I look each time before I go to my mother in law's for Sunday dinner!
     
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  6. Boreas

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    Okay, I've got one, though not European.

    This is an illustration from the 750 AD Arabic book Kalīlah wa Dimnah by Persian scholar Abdullah Ibn al-Muqaffa. It's a translation of a previous Syriac edition called Kalilag and Damnag (as translated by Ion Keith Falconer, 1885), which was a translation of a 570 AD middle Persian text by Borzūya, which was itself a translation of the Indian/Sanskrit collection of interrelated animal fables arranged within a frame story known as the Panchatantra from the 3rd century BC. The Panchatantra stories are as popular today as they would have been over 2,000 years ago and you'll find them all over India as children's books and comics.

    Here's a fascinating overview on the genealogy of the work and its dissemination from east to west: http://www.dawn.com/news/1073873

    This image reminds me of a fantastic scene from Iain M. Banks' non-Culture science fiction novel Feersum Endjinn, when the character Bascule (one of my favourite Banks characters) takes on the form of a crow (or raven) and witnesses a 'parliament of crows'. I think that's how Banks described it, but it's the wrong adjective for a grouping of crows or for ravens. Wonderful scene.

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  7. Diziet Sma

    Diziet Sma Administrator Staff Member

    I love it!
    It reminds me of one of Aesop's Fables The Crow and The Pitcher.
    By the way, could it be any connection with Aesop?
     
  8. Diziet Sma

    Diziet Sma Administrator Staff Member

    A 500 year old Batman?!
    Hans Vintler, Die Pluemen der Tugent, Vienna 1450 (Wien, Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, cod. s. n. 12819, fol. 129r)
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    Not now my dear. Terrible headache...!
    "Devil and Virgin". Histoire de Merlin and other Arthurian Romances. Poitiers ca. 1450(BnF, Français 96)

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  9. Boreas

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    With bat-double-axes! And that's a scandalously cheeky Devil. Great finds! Maybe you should start a general art thread, too.
     
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  10. Diziet Sma

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    As temping as this sounds, I think I will give it a miss. Don't think it is the most popular thread;)
    In the meantime, 900 hundreds years ago...

    "Nomen istius herbe Canabe"
    Herbal, England or North France, ca. 1190 (British Library, Sloane 1975, fol. 44v)

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  11. Diziet Sma

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    Flower Power?
    The historian E Kwakkel has made a compilation of doodles by medieval monk scribes found in the margins of some antique books.



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  12. Boreas

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    Wikipedia says:

    Modern scholarship reveals fables and proverbs of Aesopic form existing in both ancient Sumer and Akkad, as early as the third millennium BCE. Aesop's fables and the Indian tradition, as represented by the Buddhist Jataka tales and the Hindu Panchatantra, share about a dozen tales in common, although often widely differing in detail. There is some debate over whether the Greeks learned these fables from Indian storytellers or the other way, or if the influences were mutual.
     
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  13. Diziet Sma

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    Right! Perfect case of chicken and egg problem...;)
     
  14. Diziet Sma

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    Pacman?!?
    Salterio Luttrell. Siglo XIV. (British Library, Add 42130)


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  15. Diziet Sma

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    Cowardly Lion of Wizard of Oz?
    Book of Hours, Savoie 15th century.

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    Angry bird??

    Angry Oyster. Jacob Van Maerlant. Der Naturen Bloeme, Flanders ca. 1350

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  16. Diziet Sma

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    The Snail of Doom!
    Snail and Knight.
    Macclesfield Psalter, England ca. 1330-1340 (Cambridge, Fitzwilliam Museum, MS 1-2005, fol. 76r)

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  17. Boreas

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    You know, most of these you're digging up all remind me of Neal Asher's Spatterjay world and its inhabitants in some form or another.
     
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  18. Diziet Sma

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    Watch out for the Easter Bunny!
    Killer Rabbit.
    Summer volume of the Breviary of Renaud/Marguerite de Bar, Metz ca. 1302-1305 (Verdun, Bibliothèque municipale, ms. 107, fol. 141v)

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  19. Diziet Sma

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    I found Yoda!
    British Library. Smithfield Decretals.

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    And an Ewok (or a chipmunk)
    Medieval Book of Hours. Picardy ca 1460.

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    Princess Leia, with an bad case of hair excess in the upper lip area...
    Holkham Bible. Ca 1327

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  20. Bierschneeman

    Bierschneeman Well-Known Member

    I'd say its a bugbear
     

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