I've seen a few discussions where mostly fantasy readers ask for science fiction recommendations, but I've never seen the opposite. As someone who prefers SF and can't get into fantasy, what would you recommend? I can't get into dragons, elves and dwarves. Unless the dragon is genetically engineered, and the elves and dwarves are splinterings of humanity through long term genetic drift and products of different gravity wells. I can deal with magic, but I tried reading a book some years ago where the magic system had so many rules and was almost like a scientific system that I gave up. In that case, I'd rather just read sci-fi. Fantasy books I've tried reading: The Eye of the World by Robert Jordan - couldn't finish, just too boring and cliche with annoying characters. The Blade itself by Joe Abercrombie - finished the first book, but no interest to continue, only character I liked was the torturer, but even he started getting a little annoying by the end. There was some decent dialogue but very little plot. Prince of Thorns by Mark Lawrence - sheesh, even though it was a short book, I couldn't finish it. This one actually interested me most because it seemed like a post-apocalyptic sci-fi story when the clues of the previous civilization started popping up, but that 14 year old murdering and raping character just put me off. Actually, everything about this book made me feel yuck. Storm Front by Jim Butcher - snoozefest, except for the pizza loving fairies. A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin - I don't get why this is so popular. Starts off with incest and continues with rapes and violence around a medieval story of court politics. Finished the first book, but didn't want to continue. I did like the mystery of what was beyond the Wall. I tried a few more, but I think these were the main ones that were recommended most often. And please, no magic schools or wizards in training. I hate magic schools. I think my problem with fantasy is that I just don't get that sense-of-wonder that I get from reading Clarke or Reynolds or Bester or other good SF authors. I like all kinds of science fiction, but I think I enjoy hard sci-fi the most. Fantasy that I remember reading and liking as a teenager: some Tolkien, Elric, Conan, Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser, some Emma Bull, The Princess Bride and a some more that I can't remember.